A Blow to the Republican party?

Zerbean · 02-07-2008, 12:24 PM

Most conservatives will consider today, a sad day for the Republican party. Feb 7th, 2008 presidential hopeful Mitt Romney suspended is presidential campaign "for the good of the party and country".

Since the beginning of the primary, Republicans have been divided between the "ideal" conservative candidate. Continually looking for another Ronald Regean, their support was given too late to Mr. Romney.

Although some may consider this a blow for the Republican party because it's most fiscal conservative and small government advocate is leaving the presidential race, one must wonder. What will Mitt Romney's future hold?

I beleive, most conservatives will now view Mitt Romney with reneawed interest. As he stated in his speech today to CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference), he left the race to give whoever the Republican nominee would be a better shot at winning the general election this fall. The fact that he put aside his own interest in being President for his love of American, is astounding.

Although Mitt Romney is 60, he is only of average political age and most Republicans will now view him favorably. If the Democratic candidate wins, Mitt Romney will undeniably be the immediate front-runner if he so chooses to run again in 2012. If McCain happens to give an impressive speech at CPAC today, and selects a more conservative VP and wins the general election and shys away from the Republican base, they very well may throw their support behind Mitt Romney in 2012 and not McCain for re-election.

Mitt Romneys future looks bright in the political arena, and hopefully he continues to hold his love of this country and his determination to bring about our founding fathers ideals of how this country should be run, not the warped impressions of the Democrats.

I must again give a rough quote from Mr. Romney's CPAC speech. He stated our culture is what gives America it's strength and when we begin to shy away from our determination to succeed, or intuitive and inovative process, we will be surpassed in economic, military and political strength by another world power. Whether it will be China, Russia or another super power, we will forever strive for what we once had.

I for one applaud Mr Romney. I am a registered Libertarian and while I do not agree with most Republicans on their stance of national security, etc. I do strongly agree with his fiscal conservatism and idea of smaller government and reduction in entitlements for the general population. As it stands, 60% of the US budget goes to entitlement programs and if we are to fix social security, and reduce government spending we must begin to reform our entitlement programs and give more options to the people of our country. By the second term of our next president, 70% of our budget will go to entitlement programs. The Democrats claim spending is out of control, which is true. But they wish to cut military spending which only accounts for roughly 20% of our budget and will more than likely enlarge our entitlement programs.

As has been proven again and again, the more government gets involved the worse the issue becomes. Just look at social security. Before it's inception most families supported their elderly family members. There was a close knit bond between family and a strict sense of morality. But as time wore on and people demanded to be helped, that bond has been broken. These people who now rely on this entitlement because the bond between most families have been broken, now demand more. They become homeless and can't support themselves, and most famalies can't or won't support them because of the government taking more and more from their paychecks.

Allow people to prepare their own retirement funds and once again strengthen the bonds between family members. We can not continue to promise the people of our country that their future will be safe and secure while we are still involved in regulating that future. Our future must be addressed now before it is forever tainted by the hand of the government.

**Phooey** · 02-07-2008, 12:36 PM

Being a liberal, I'm not sorry to see him go. I'll readily admit that he was the only true conservative who had a chance, so now the republicans have no one truly conservative to rally around, which bodes well for the democrats. Now I just have to hope Obama gets the nomination. Obama vs. McCain would be an extremely interesting election.

Zerbean · 02-07-2008, 01:13 PM

I'll agree with you there. I see Obama as more electable than Hillary. He has been able to bring out the youth vote while McCain takes a lot of independant voters.

If Hillary gets the nomination I think McCain would get a lot of votes because of so many people who hate and can't stand Hillary.

It will be a very interesting election, but unless McCain can take a VP who I approve of or impress me in the general election, my vote will be going to the Libertarian Party once again.

Oxll Sunslayer · 02-07-2008, 01:29 PM

I don't understand how you could still be supporting Republicans in the first place Zerbean. The amount of lives they've ruined in the War on Drugs has been much more then what they've done in iraq. Their policy for treating drugs is archaic and outdated. We know marijuana has many medicinal values, yet these BIBLE thumping fucktards can't stop fighting rock 'n' roll and drugs. Oh not to mention sex. The Republicans support abstinance. Yeah that fits the picture of America.

Zerb, your economical point of view should be pointing you towards Obama. You think that the republicans will get you out of the hole they put you guys in? Romney has some experience with that, but he also preached like Huckabee did. Both would have taken North America back a decade in scientific progress.

Clinton wouldn't be too bad, she would create jobs since she does have the corporate backing. Still this is only a short term fix in my mind. Obama would open the doors to new trade which is a long term fix.

Zerbean · 02-07-2008, 02:23 PM

I support Republicans due to their general view of fiscal conservaty and small government. Democrats are generally for expanding government and entitlement programs which is in exact opposition to my main points of view.

Yes I feel the war on drugs is wrong, but I would rather continue the war on drugs and teach abstinence in schools than have an additional 10% taken out of my paycheck to support Joe Smith three doors down, and have the government tell me I'm raising my kids wrong.

It's not about supporting things I disagree with the candidates on, it's vehemently supporting those things in which I most care about.

No one candidate will be perfect in my eyes, unless it's me, therefore I must support the person who most closely resembles my vision of what the future should be.

I don't see how Romney would have taken scientific progress a decade back unless you're referring to his staunch defense against stem cell research. I am for the research, but their are other innovative ways to progress in science as well.

Just as you won't support a republican because of their normal defense of increased military spending and reduction in entitlement programs, I wouldn't vote for a democrat because of their opposion viewpoint.

I also don't see how my economical viewpoint should make me lead towards Obama. He's for FDR's New Deal, which I am not. He's voted for government subsidies, which I am not. He's voted for increasing the medicare program, which I am not. He's voted AGAINST giving illegal immigrants citizenship status if they've committed identity theft. He voted against making it illegal for people to take minors across state lines to have an abortion if the parents were unaware. He voted against legislation that would protect gun makers from criminal use of their weapons.

While is economic voting record is a bit impressive, I can not in good conscience agree with the expansion of government which he is for. I also can not agree with his voting record towards gun legislation, immigration and abortion.

As far as Clinton being ok... talk about the introduction of an Orwellian society if she were president. Shit...

Oxll Sunslayer · 02-07-2008, 03:33 PM

I see your points now. Funny thing is most of the things you don't like about Obama I like. I think gun makers should be held responsible for the evil their product brings. It's like smoking. People have gone after those companies, when smoking really just effects the person who smokes. Guns on the other hand affect those around the people carrying the weapon.(lets not discuss 2nd hand smoke. I have yet to see a proper test conducted, with relevant findings to 2nd hand smoke killing people)

The abortion issue is something I don't like. However I understand the need to perhaps monitor abortions. A girl who goes for an abortion every year should be told that on her 3rd time there will be a massive charge for doing a 4th abortion. Go and buy a condom or birth control. Don't fix the problem after the fact.

Romney's against stem cell research and many other scientific projects that should be applauded. Thank god he stepped down today. Things like this are just the beginning of how religion affects science. The understanding of how planets are created, or how we became is always under attack. The reason is it totally dismantles the religious view of ID (creationism).

In this case, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think democrats are going to turn America into a socialist country. I think they might enhance your society, as opposed to destroying other societies with war. Vote BLUE!

Zerbean · 02-07-2008, 04:22 PM

See and I dont understand how you can't see the democrats agenda is almost all socialist.

Universal Healthcare - Socialist agenda
Expanding Entitlement Programs - Socialist agenda
Increasing taxes on those who produce more - Socialist agenda
Taking away the rights of parents - Socialist agenda
Regulation of free market - Socialist agenda

It's clear as day to me.

And all of these things will occur with Hillary, all but one I see with Obama but I may not have dug enough with him.

TimePants · 02-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Too bad ron paul doesnt have a shot. He really would turn the US around. : /

**Princess** · 02-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Oxyll, you are right on.

**Phooey** · 02-07-2008, 06:54 PM

In response to the title of the thread: The biggest blow to the Republican party has been having Bush in office for the last 8 years.

Zerbean · 02-07-2008, 10:32 PM

I'd agree with that statement.

TimePants · 02-09-2008, 01:32 PM

OHHHHHH YEAH! I JUST NOTICED!

YOU SAID, "BLOW" HUH HUH HUH

02-07-2008, 12:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Zerbean The Libertarian Digital Master Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere in CO Posts: 820	A Blow to the Republican party? Most conservatives will consider today, a sad day for the Republican party. Feb 7th, 2008 presidential hopeful Mitt Romney suspended is presidential campaign "for the good of the party and country". Since the beginning of the primary, Republicans have been divided between the "ideal" conservative candidate. Continually looking for another Ronald Regean, their support was given too late to Mr. Romney. Although some may consider this a blow for the Republican party because it's most fiscal conservative and small government advocate is leaving the presidential race, one must wonder. What will Mitt Romney's future hold? I beleive, most conservatives will now view Mitt Romney with reneawed interest. As he stated in his speech today to CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference), he left the race to give whoever the Republican nominee would be a better shot at winning the general election this fall. The fact that he put aside his own interest in being President for his love of American, is astounding. Although Mitt Romney is 60, he is only of average political age and most Republicans will now view him favorably. If the Democratic candidate wins, Mitt Romney will undeniably be the immediate front-runner if he so chooses to run again in 2012. If McCain happens to give an impressive speech at CPAC today, and selects a more conservative VP and wins the general election and shys away from the Republican base, they very well may throw their support behind Mitt Romney in 2012 and not McCain for re-election. Mitt Romneys future looks bright in the political arena, and hopefully he continues to hold his love of this country and his determination to bring about our founding fathers ideals of how this country should be run, not the warped impressions of the Democrats. I must again give a rough quote from Mr. Romney's CPAC speech. He stated our culture is what gives America it's strength and when we begin to shy away from our determination to succeed, or intuitive and inovative process, we will be surpassed in economic, military and political strength by another world power. Whether it will be China, Russia or another super power, we will forever strive for what we once had. I for one applaud Mr Romney. I am a registered Libertarian and while I do not agree with most Republicans on their stance of national security, etc. I do strongly agree with his fiscal conservatism and idea of smaller government and reduction in entitlements for the general population. As it stands, 60% of the US budget goes to entitlement programs and if we are to fix social security, and reduce government spending we must begin to reform our entitlement programs and give more options to the people of our country. By the second term of our next president, 70% of our budget will go to entitlement programs. The Democrats claim spending is out of control, which is true. But they wish to cut military spending which only accounts for roughly 20% of our budget and will more than likely enlarge our entitlement programs. As has been proven again and again, the more government gets involved the worse the issue becomes. Just look at social security. Before it's inception most families supported their elderly family members. There was a close knit bond between family and a strict sense of morality. But as time wore on and people demanded to be helped, that bond has been broken. These people who now rely on this entitlement because the bond between most families have been broken, now demand more. They become homeless and can't support themselves, and most famalies can't or won't support them because of the government taking more and more from their paychecks. Allow people to prepare their own retirement funds and once again strengthen the bonds between family members. We can not continue to promise the people of our country that their future will be safe and secure while we are still involved in regulating that future. Our future must be addressed now before it is forever tainted by the hand of the government.

02-07-2008, 12:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Phooey *Administrator* Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,452	Being a liberal, I'm not sorry to see him go. I'll readily admit that he was the only true conservative who had a chance, so now the republicans have no one truly conservative to rally around, which bodes well for the democrats. Now I just have to hope Obama gets the nomination. Obama vs. McCain would be an extremely interesting election. __________________ Links: Jewish Social Network \| EP Online \| LinkAce

02-07-2008, 01:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Oxll Sunslayer Digital Master Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 949	I don't understand how you could still be supporting Republicans in the first place Zerbean. The amount of lives they've ruined in the War on Drugs has been much more then what they've done in iraq. Their policy for treating drugs is archaic and outdated. We know marijuana has many medicinal values, yet these BIBLE thumping fucktards can't stop fighting rock 'n' roll and drugs. Oh not to mention sex. The Republicans support abstinance. Yeah that fits the picture of America. Zerb, your economical point of view should be pointing you towards Obama. You think that the republicans will get you out of the hole they put you guys in? Romney has some experience with that, but he also preached like Huckabee did. Both would have taken North America back a decade in scientific progress. Clinton wouldn't be too bad, she would create jobs since she does have the corporate backing. Still this is only a short term fix in my mind. Obama would open the doors to new trade which is a long term fix. __________________

02-07-2008, 03:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Oxll Sunslayer Digital Master Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 949	I see your points now. Funny thing is most of the things you don't like about Obama I like. I think gun makers should be held responsible for the evil their product brings. It's like smoking. People have gone after those companies, when smoking really just effects the person who smokes. Guns on the other hand affect those around the people carrying the weapon.(lets not discuss 2nd hand smoke. I have yet to see a proper test conducted, with relevant findings to 2nd hand smoke killing people) The abortion issue is something I don't like. However I understand the need to perhaps monitor abortions. A girl who goes for an abortion every year should be told that on her 3rd time there will be a massive charge for doing a 4th abortion. Go and buy a condom or birth control. Don't fix the problem after the fact. Romney's against stem cell research and many other scientific projects that should be applauded. Thank god he stepped down today. Things like this are just the beginning of how religion affects science. The understanding of how planets are created, or how we became is always under attack. The reason is it totally dismantles the religious view of ID (creationism). In this case, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think democrats are going to turn America into a socialist country. I think they might enhance your society, as opposed to destroying other societies with war. Vote BLUE! __________________

02-07-2008, 06:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
TimePants Token Conservative Digitally Skilled Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 211	Too bad ron paul doesnt have a shot. He really would turn the US around. : / __________________ " I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

02-07-2008, 01:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zerbean The Libertarian Digital Master Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere in CO Posts: 820	I'll agree with you there. I see Obama as more electable than Hillary. He has been able to bring out the youth vote while McCain takes a lot of independant voters. If Hillary gets the nomination I think McCain would get a lot of votes because of so many people who hate and can't stand Hillary. It will be a very interesting election, but unless McCain can take a VP who I approve of or impress me in the general election, my vote will be going to the Libertarian Party once again.

02-07-2008, 02:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zerbean The Libertarian Digital Master Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere in CO Posts: 820	I support Republicans due to their general view of fiscal conservaty and small government. Democrats are generally for expanding government and entitlement programs which is in exact opposition to my main points of view. Yes I feel the war on drugs is wrong, but I would rather continue the war on drugs and teach abstinence in schools than have an additional 10% taken out of my paycheck to support Joe Smith three doors down, and have the government tell me I'm raising my kids wrong. It's not about supporting things I disagree with the candidates on, it's vehemently supporting those things in which I most care about. No one candidate will be perfect in my eyes, unless it's me, therefore I must support the person who most closely resembles my vision of what the future should be. I don't see how Romney would have taken scientific progress a decade back unless you're referring to his staunch defense against stem cell research. I am for the research, but their are other innovative ways to progress in science as well. Just as you won't support a republican because of their normal defense of increased military spending and reduction in entitlement programs, I wouldn't vote for a democrat because of their opposion viewpoint. I also don't see how my economical viewpoint should make me lead towards Obama. He's for FDR's New Deal, which I am not. He's voted for government subsidies, which I am not. He's voted for increasing the medicare program, which I am not. He's voted AGAINST giving illegal immigrants citizenship status if they've committed identity theft. He voted against making it illegal for people to take minors across state lines to have an abortion if the parents were unaware. He voted against legislation that would protect gun makers from criminal use of their weapons. While is economic voting record is a bit impressive, I can not in good conscience agree with the expansion of government which he is for. I also can not agree with his voting record towards gun legislation, immigration and abortion. As far as Clinton being ok... talk about the introduction of an Orwellian society if she were president. Shit...

02-07-2008, 04:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Zerbean The Libertarian Digital Master Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere in CO Posts: 820	See and I dont understand how you can't see the democrats agenda is almost all socialist. Universal Healthcare - Socialist agenda Expanding Entitlement Programs - Socialist agenda Increasing taxes on those who produce more - Socialist agenda Taking away the rights of parents - Socialist agenda Regulation of free market - Socialist agenda It's clear as day to me. And all of these things will occur with Hillary, all but one I see with Obama but I may not have dug enough with him.

02-07-2008, 06:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Princess AKA Princess *Lead Moderator* Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 1,530	Oxyll, you are right on. __________________

02-07-2008, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Phooey *Administrator* Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,452	In response to the title of the thread: The biggest blow to the Republican party has been having Bush in office for the last 8 years. __________________ Links: Jewish Social Network \| EP Online \| LinkAce

02-07-2008, 10:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Zerbean The Libertarian Digital Master Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere in CO Posts: 820	I'd agree with that statement.

02-09-2008, 01:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
TimePants Token Conservative Digitally Skilled Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 211	OHHHHHH YEAH! I JUST NOTICED! YOU SAID, "BLOW" HUH HUH HUH __________________ " I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

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