Waterboarding

[Phooey]

Well, it is back in the news again.

For those of you who might not know what it is, here's a nice little snippet from Wikipedia:

Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning in a controlled environment and is made to believe that death is imminent.

The key word there being "torture", but somehow that is what is under debate in the congress and justice department.

What do you think? Is it torture? Should a practice that was used in the Spanish Inquisition and by the Nazis and Japanese during WWII now be used by the US in the war on terror?

[TimePants]

The name makes it sound like something you and your friends do at the beach.

[Oxll Sunslayer]

Yeah I was gonna say i'd love to hit Ness lake for some waterboarding.... then i'm like shit I don't wanna be inclined and have water poured over me!!

This should be illegal, except for those caught torturing others. Then we should use their own crime against them. Phooey lets be honest too. Decision 2 should be instead of Terrorist, Muslim.

[Phigdizzle]

Well, you cant have it both ways. either your for it or against it. It seems people are only interested in how the U.S. handles matters of interrogation and confinement ei: Guantanamo and waterboarding. My question is what tactics are used in other parts of the world? And are they humane?

[Beheader205]

waterboarding isnt humaine its pretty much drowning someone to death like it said. terrorists are not only muslims and its not just muslims its muslims rationalists. the regular muslim people are ok. terrorists can be iraqies, russians, even canadians and whatever else invades countries. we are terrorists to other people in the world if you think about it.

[TimePants]

Originally Posted by Phigdizzle

Well, you cant have it both ways. either your for it or against it. It seems people are only interested in how the U.S. handles matters of interrogation and confinement ei: Guantanamo and waterboarding. My question is what tactics are used in other parts of the world? And are they humane?

That is a good question.

Originally Posted by Beheader205

we are terrorists to other people in the world if you think about it.

Please explain.

[Beheader205]

a terrorist is pretty much someone who invades another ones country. so like if we invaded china to the chinese we would be terrorists.

[TimePants]

terrorism - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear



Please explain?

[Oxll Sunslayer]

Originally Posted by TimePants

terrorism - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear



Please explain?

I think you just explained it Timepants. Calculated use of violence against civilians. I believe the number of 360 civilian deaths a day in iraq would definately add up.

Timepants, you know where I stand on this. But Beheader is completely correct in saying America are terrorists. The amount of Intimidation and Coercion they use to install fear is almost the purest form of terrorism.

Oh and Phig you are very correct. Yes americans get frowned upon the most for doing bad things. Yes people around the world are not saints and possibly do worse things. But america is like being the Role Model. You need to set a good example for the world to try better at being decent. When you go and occupy another country with no chance of fighting you guys, it comes across as bullying, and Terrorism. What can those people do? They have no where to go, and they have to listen to this western culture telling them what to do.

I think waterboarding is cruel. Regardless of what other countries do, america should be the ones to stand up and say we won't have that shit happen in our presence. Canadians have been caught handing over prisoners to Afghanistan officials, who pretty much torture the poor souls. Canada has now changed our operational plan to keeping the prisoners ourselves. And yes Canadians have done bad things to their prisoners. Not that hard when you have an enemy in a cage to poke them, and cause them distress. Just because it happens doesn't make it ok.

[TimePants]

Originally Posted by Oxll Sunslayer

I think you just explained it Timepants. Calculated use of violence against civilians. I believe the number of 360 civilian deaths a day in iraq would definately add up.

Timepants, you know where I stand on this. But Beheader is completely correct in saying America are terrorists. The amount of Intimidation and Coercion they use to install fear is almost the purest form of terrorism.

360 civillian deaths a day caused by insurgents, who are indeed terrorists. Intimidation and coercion =/= building schools and hospitals.

Have a wonderful day.

[JayTee]

Originally Posted by Oxll Sunslayer

. Decision 2 should be instead of Terrorist, Muslim.

I grew up with many Muslims friends (im German/Finish), they are honest, generous and nice people.

One persons "terrorist" is another's "freedom Fighter". I don't agree with terrorism, but it happens, Every country has had it's acts of terrorism for and against it, even Israel the United States and Canada. Some are worse then others, but arguing about who's had worse is the equivalent of two opposing neighbors arguing over who's house is burning down faster.

You'd be wrong to blanket the Muslims with such a statement. Even if it's a joke, I take that to offense and I'm not Muslim. Such statements only bring racial tension and cause strife.

Some of the most intelligent polite, successful and generous people I've ever known happen to be Muslim. Islam in essence is a very respectful religion and a very logical way of life, dispite having its fanatics. Don't forget that the other 2 world religions have their share of extreme fanatics as well and they are not any better, they just hate the Muslims.

I'm not trying to be a dick or start a flame war, I've just known a fair share of Muslims in my life and all of the one's I know have never done anything to diserve torture.

[Oxll Sunslayer]

Originally Posted by JayTee

I grew up with many Muslims friends (im German/Finish), they are honest, generous and nice people.

One persons "terrorist" is another's "freedom Fighter". I don't agree with terrorism, but it happens, Every country has had it's acts of terrorism for and against it, even Israel the United States and Canada. Some are worse then others, but arguing about who's had worse is the equivalent of two opposing neighbors arguing over who's house is burning down faster.

You'd be wrong to blanket the Muslims with such a statement. Even if it's a joke, I take that to offense and I'm not Muslim. Such statements only bring racial tension and cause strife.

Some of the most intelligent polite, successful and generous people I've ever known happen to be Muslim. Islam in essence is a very respectful religion and a very logical way of life, dispite having its fanatics. Don't forget that the other 2 world religions have their share of extreme fanatics as well and they are not any better, they just hate the Muslims.

I'm not trying to be a dick or start a flame war, I've just known a fair share of Muslims in my life and all of the one's I know have never done anything to diserve torture.

Jay tee, I was not just joking, but being so sarcastic that it was a jab towards americans. They keep saying they are fighting terrorism, but really they are abolishing Muslim religion. They tried their best to knock out the muslim party in Pakistan, they've completely given the finger to the muslim churches in Iraq, and look whats happening in Afghanistan. Basically I was just pointing out that instead of terrorist lets be honest. Its a bunch of muslims getting wtf pwnd' daily. They make it sound better when they are like we stopped some insurgents. Doesn't sound good when you say we wiped out a couple muslim famillies today, children and all.

[JayTee]

The war on terror is a huge farce its so bad it's hard to even cover how many wrongs there are.

No worries, my misunderstanding

[Mr. Awesome]

I am going with option 4...doesnt really need to be defended...its a fact.

[Phooey]

There is no option four.

[Mr. Awesome]

damnit...it was there last night...i swear...

[Phooey]

[Mr. Awesome]

thats the last time i eat the worm...

[JayTee]

Originally Posted by Mr. Awesome

I am going with option 4...doesnt really need to be defended...its a fact.

thats the last time i eat the worm...

I took a double take on that one.