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Old 01-27-2008, 12:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Obama

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By KAREN TUMULTY
Sat Jan 26, 9:50 AM ET




"There was only way to describe Barack Obama's victory over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in South Carolina: It was a rout. "After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans that we've seen in a long, long time," Obama declared at his victory celebration in Columbia. "There are young and old; rich and poor. They are black and white; Latino and Asian and Native American. They are Democrats from Des Moines and Independents from Concord, and yes, some Republicans from rural Nevada and we've got young people from all across this country who've never had a reason to participate until now."


"Obama's impressive win meant all the more given the nature of politics in South Carolina, a state whose history is fraught with race and class. Some observers wondered if the state's voters were becoming more racially polarized in the final days before the primary. That speculation was fueled by one late McClatchy/MSNBC survey that suggested Obama could expect to receive no more than 10% of the white vote, half of what the same poll had shown only a week before. But Obama instead won about a quarter of the white vote overall, and around half of young white voters, on his way to a commanding 55% of the total vote (Clinton finished second with roughly 27% and Edwards came in third with 18%). The excitement around Obama's candidacy pushed turnout to record levels - a kind of surge, says Obama strategist Cornell Belcher, that "is something only Barack Obama is capable of bringing to the table."


It is a powerful message for the Illinois Senator to take into the Super Tuesday round of primaries on February 5. "In nine days-nine short days - nearly half the nation will have the chance to join us in saying that we are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, we are hungry for change, and we are ready to believe again," Obama declared. His South Carolina victory will be topped by an endorsement by Caroline Kennedy, in a Sunday New York Times op-ed headlined: "A President Like My Father." The move will serve as a powerful, symbolic counter to the most visible surrogate in this race, Bill Clinton - the boy whose own political awakening famously came when he shook JFK's hand as a 16-year-old as part of an American Legion Boy's Nation visit to the nation's capital.


Still, the sobering reality for the Obama campaign is that Clinton's massive organization will present a formidable challenge in the 20-plus states that will be voting on February 5. Clinton, knowing that bad news was coming, didn't even hold a final rally for her supporters in South Carolina; shortly after the polls closed, her campaign plane was headed for Tennessee. She issued a terse written statement noting that she had called Obama to "wish him well," and adding, "We now turn our attention to the millions of Americans who will make their voices heard in Florida and the twenty-two states as well as American Samoa who will vote on February 5th." Bill Clinton, at a rally in Missouri, added: "Now we go to February 5, when millions of Americans finally get in the act."


The former President was actually the first Clinton to speak in the wake of Obama's triumph Saturday evening, and it only underscored how his outsized, vocal presence on the trail has threatened to overshadow his wife. Earlier in the day, Clinton had churlishly compared Obama's victory to that of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, a remark that will likely further fuel disaffection about the Clintons amongst African-American voters. There was evidence that Obama's victory was also a repudiation of the brand of hard-knuckled politics that both Clintons had brought to the South Carolina contest. Exit polls indicated that Bill Clinton's campaigning made a difference to about 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters. But of those voters, 47% went for Barack Obama, while only 38% went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent voted for John Edwards. The Obama campaign gleefully noted that in the mostly black precincts that Bill Clinton visted in Greenville, as much as 80% of the vote went to Obama."

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Old 01-27-2008, 12:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks just fine and dandy.. Thanks to those fuckers Bush and his freakin death squad.. I have lost all confidence in any future american president.. but maybe Obama will do some good things for you poor shmucks. lol

i have a question.. is Obama a member of the Skulls or is a Free Mason? Cause if so, he's already under someones thumb.
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Old 01-27-2008, 02:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Free Masons are like the Elks cub, they really aren't very sinister.
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What is Obama's view on the illegal jail in Guantanamo? Haven't heard that issue come up yet.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Free Masons are like the Elks cub, they really aren't very sinister.
maybe, maybe not.. I don't think you would truthfully know.
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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What is Obama's view on the illegal jail in Guantanamo? Haven't heard that issue come up yet.
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“When I am this party's nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq; or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; or that I supported Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don't like. And he will not be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it is ok for America to torture — because it is never ok… I will end the war in Iraq… I will close Guantanamo. I will restore habeas corpus. I will finish the fight against Al Qaeda. And I will lead the world to combat the common threats of the 21st century: nuclear weapons and terrorism; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease. And I will send once more a message to those yearning faces beyond our shores that says, "You matter to us. Your future is our future. And our moment is now.”

— Barack Obama, Des Moines, Iowa, November 10, 2007
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Old 01-28-2008, 07:09 AM   #7 (permalink)
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maybe, maybe not.. I don't think you would truthfully know.
and neither does anyone else who isn't one.

I have attended a freemason meeting though, so I suppose that puts me on a higher level of knowlede about them than anyone who hasn't.
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Old 01-28-2008, 03:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanx Phooey. Obama looks like a strong candidate for the actual election. I assume that most of the other democrats are also going to shut down guantanamo jail?
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I think it was part of Hilary's campaign, not 100% though
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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i want Obama to win because hes cool and black and i think muslim too. while hilary is white, gay and a total bitch
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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im glad you can't vote
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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TimePants, I've got to agree with you this time.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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why? i want Obama to win for the democrats but I would also like Romney or Mccain to win to.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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why? i want Obama to win for the democrats but I would also like Romney or Mccain to win to.
Is there one single overlapping issue that the three of them agree to that would draw you to them? Also, Obama isn't Muslim, he's Christian.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I think Obama looks like Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager.

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i dont really care man. those are the 3 guys i want to win. i dont like Hilary for personal reasons and i dont care if she wants to be the first female president because there are better people to do the job then her.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:33 AM   #17 (permalink)
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i dont really care man. those are the 3 guys i want to win.
My question was why? What makes you want them to win? What do you like about them?
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:24 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I havent followed the election too much but to my observations the 4 people up to become the president are Obama, Hilary, Romney, and Mccain. So if anyone wins i want Obama, Romeny, and Mccain to win. I dont know what there bringing to America or anything but if anyone wins I want one of those 3 to win. Why you say just because I want them to win and no other reason.
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So you have absolutely no reasoning behind your decision? You just think they're handsome or something, so they've got your vote (if you could vote...)? Or is it more of a "I don't like Hillary, so anyone else must be better?"
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ya i hate Hilary so i would choose anyone but her
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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To reiterate, I'm glad you can't vote.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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to reretaliate i said i WOULD choose not WILL go back to english class.
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To reiterate, I'm glad you can't vote.
I'm Ashamed that you can Vote.

But it makes me happier to know that your vote means absolutely shit.... They've decided who wins already and this theater of Elections is just to keep you guys happy.

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Old 01-30-2008, 04:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm Ashamed that you can Vote.

But it makes me happier to know that your vote means absolutely shit.... They've decided who wins already and this theater of Elections is just to keep you guys happy.


That's so awesome! Have a GREAT day!

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I doubt that the actual election is already decided, but I wouldn't be surprised if the nominees on each side are.
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